Im genuinely curious
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Thread Topic: Im genuinely curious
i like how you intertwine religious and sacrilegious realities
Eh, I wouldn't say sacrilegious. Not towards God at least.
I really just got to the place of wanting to know what the God of the Bible really says. I'm able to discern if a church is preaching error or if it's being lead by a false teacher. God wants us to do this. A large part of Jesus' earthly ministry was correcting the Pharisees, Saducees, and scribes of their errors. They twisted serving God into only benefiting themselves, and were puffed up with pride not realizing how wretched they were. Jesus wasn't committing sacrilege, but exposed the corruption of that day.
Anybody can put a Christian label on something, but I just wanted to know God. Biblical Christianity is focused primarily on being in relationship with God, and letting the Holy Spirit change your life where you can live out what God says without being a hypocrite. Just reading the Gospel of John is a good start to get to know who God is.
This is why I believe it is important to judge if what is preached and lived out in churches is really what God wants. Many have left church because they've either been hurt by people or don't see any power in it, that it's not holding up in reality. It's a problem when many Christians get lazy, act the same way the world does, or just don't really believe what God says.
I've seen what Christianity looks like when God is believed and at the center of our lives. It's a laying down of our lives in true love. Corrie ten Boom, Richard Wurmbrand, and George Mueller are just a few good examples of this. I also personally learn from the lives of Christians in countries where Christianity is illegal or persecuted. This is how Jesus walked.
interesting facts. so now i want to know your opinion on the matter. what do you personally think of God?
@boss what do you think of God? I'm curious now lol
@stardust you see, there is much to talk about in reference to God. to be perfectly honest with yu, i was never a follower. never will be. not that being a follower is bad or wrong. being a leader isnt bad or wrong either. i simply choose to be a leader. i dont even need to choose in the end, my fate chose that decision for me.
and you see, heres the interesting stuff. when i say that i dont even need to choose if i want to be a leader or a follower, what i mean is that.. as a leader, you have unbreakable self will. and you therefore lead all the way to the end as much as you decide all the way to the end. if a follower had self will, they would be able to break away from their dented path. but as a follower, you cannot ALSO be a leader. but a leader CAN ALSO be a follower, only in guise to wait to unleash your inner powers of self will.
what do u think of God
I love God. By God I mean the God of Israel and of the Bible. He is the Creator and Designer of the Universe, the Author of truth. He is holy and perfect, the Source of all wisdom, justice, mercy, purpose, hope, and morality. He is good and His ways are good.
We all follow something and put our faith in something, even if it's ourselves. If my judgments are not based on objective reality, I'll lead myself and others wrong. We all have free will to make choices, but each choice has consequences, whether good or bad.
define wrong for me?
@boss I see. For me, God is the one true God. He's Creator, he's perfect, he is the source of every good thing. Like Ana said, he is holy and good and he is my Father. He is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and he is in control. When I say in control, I don't mean that he's trying to take away our choices in life. I mean that I don't have to fear the future because God promises that it's good one. I'll face trials and hardship, but he always be there to carry me through it.
As for leaders and followers. I know that throughout the Bible, God took ordinary people who followed him, and he turned them into leaders. Moses was a weird ordinary guy who was afraid of public speaking, but he followed God. And as a result, Moses led the people of Israel out of slavery in Egypt.
When you make the choice to follow God, it's not so he can turn you into a weak follower that just tries to follow rules, but it's to strengthen you to become a leader and fight the good fight. For me, following God is not about following rules. It's just trying to keep a relationship with God, and making him first and foremost in my life. And when that happens, God can use me to accomplish great things. Not selfish things, but powerful and good things.
Not sure if this explains how I feel about God, but there you go
I agree with Stardust. Very good points. :3
Wrong is sin. Sin is rebellion against the holy, loving God and acts of hatred toward people.
Child molestation, rape, murder, stealing, and abuse are obvious sins. Whenever God calls something sin, it's not to make everyone miserable and robotic. He knows how He created things to work. When we go outside of that order there are negative consequences, specifically that the fruit of sin leads to death.
Sin can illicit a temporary amount of pleasure, but it's fleeting. You're left disconnected from God. If I'm only concerned with pleasing myself, loving God and loving people won't be my priority. God made us to know truth and to love, not to usurp His authority and destroy creation.
Regardless of whether I recognize something as sin in my life, if I choose continue doing something destructive, I will reap destruction. Sure, if I rule my life by self-will I'm the ruler of my life, but I end up as nothing more than queen of a dunghill. As much as I may respect a blind man, I still don't want to get in a car where he's behind the wheel.
interesting points you both make
what do you guys think of my stance on God?
I think that you believe that if you follow God, you're somehow worth less in a way? That you don't want to humble yourself and serve God because you value leadership, you value being in charge of yourself and not having to answer to anyone. I think it's good that you have that sense of self worth, but I also think you're a bit prideful in that way. I think your way of living and viewing God is more because you want to benefit yourself, and only yourself. Following God means you're saying you want to devote your life to loving God and then loving other people. God wants what's best for us, so ultimately when you do what God tells you, it's for your own benefit, so it's not like you're not going to care about yourself, but following God means that caring for yourself is not your focus or what drives you. And I think you believe that following God means that you won't be your own boss, you won't be able to put yourself first.
I'm just guessing at how you feel and what I think, so feel free to correct me on this lol
Honestly I think it's a lot like mine when I was an agnostic.
I would say that everyone has to come to terms with the fact that the Bible makes absolute claims. It can only either be true or not. I have found every promise and word of God to be true.
If I come to this conclusion, it requires a response from me. Not only must I be willing to believe in Jesus Christ alone as my salvation and allow Him to change life, but because I know the fruit of sin and what it does in our lives, I have to be willing to share this truth with everyone. Not by forcing my religion on others, but because real love warns and speaks truth. Real love shares the gift it's been given. The people who made the greatest difference in my life for good simply told me what I didn't want to hear, but did so in love.
Basically if you get anything from my posts, I strongly encourage anyone to really read the Bible for themselves with a desire for truth, and go directly to God through Jesus Christ.
Mused Jade Advanced@TheLoveOfBands
I don’t have a specific religion right now. I feel as if I am going through a transitioning phase. I grew up a Christian. Pentecostal Apostolic, to be exact. I personally left that religion behind me for multiple reasons.
Now, I am transitioning to witchcraft.
It seems a lot more peaceful, and you don’t have to worship anything/anyone. At least the path I am walking I don’t. Who knows, maybe a couple of months down the road you’ll ask the same question, and I’ll have a different answer.
I don’t think I will because I feel at peace, but who knows. ☺
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