Abortion.

Thread Topic: Abortion.

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    SprinkledSpice Advanced
    I think that abortion is wrong and it shouldn't exist. I think that life should be chosen over convenience. But I can't decide for everyone. All I can do is try to show people my point of view and change things for the better where I can.

    Yes, abortion can be chosen. Just because it's an option doesn't mean it's right, or morally correct. Stealing, killing, and destroying are choices too. So why do people refrain from doing so?

    Because it's wrong. It can be prevented, yes, but it happens and it's wrong. That's my point here.
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    BurningFlame Novice
    There are just a lot of things wrong with Pro-life. Like saying that abortion is wrong when sometimes the mom doesn’t have an option
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    SprinkledSpice Advanced
    What do you mean she doesn't have an option? She could let the child live. That's an option.
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    Ethel Advanced
    ^^
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    The Hermit Newbie
    I have spoken on this topic before, and it arises every so often. First, I would like to state that I am strictly Pro-Choice. What another person does, is none of my buisness. What they do has no effect on my life.

    Now, for some quotes and answers.

    What do you mean she doesn't have an option? She could let the child live. That's an option.

    First, abortion in itself is an option. Statistically, sixty-five percent of abortions happen at eight weeks or less. Ninety one percent happen at thirteen weeks or less, and 1.4% occur at/or after twenty-one weeks. A fetus is considered fully developed around 32-36 weeks.

    As for the whole "it's not my decision" thing, I agree! It isn't my decision, it isn't my choice. I can't force anyone to do anything. I'm just stating the reasons why that choice isn't right.

    First, you are correct; it isn't your decision. Second, that choice isn't right to you. You have no idea what someones living situation is, their financial status or anything that goes into them having an abortion. Not to mention the people who stand outside abortions clinics harassing these women. You have no idea what these women go through before, during or after they have an abortion.

    Why do you care what another woman does with her body, when you yourself are not going to be directly involved in her life?
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    SprinkledSpice Advanced
    Why do you care what another woman does with her body, when you yourself are not going to be directly involved in her life?

    By that logic, if someone killed herself, I shouldn't care because I wasn't involved in her life, right? It's not just about the well-being of the woman, which is important. It's also about the well-being of the child.
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    The Hermit Newbie
    You are trying to justify you're claim by using something that has no relevance to abortion. Suicide and abortion do not go hand in hand. I do get your point, but you have made it very poorly. So let me try to explain.

    It's also about the well-being of the child.

    A child by definition is; a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.

    Some women have abortions because they are financially unstable, some have them because they don't want to have children and they can't get their tubes tied. Some women have complications with pregnancy which leaves them no other option to have an abortion. These are just a few reasons/factors into a woman's decision to ger an abortion.

    I do agree with what previous users have said. Abortion shouldn't be allowed after a certain point UNLESS the mother, or the fetus' life is at stake. I will contine by saying abortions under thirteen weeks are still valid.

    You as an individual have no right or say on what another individual says; or does. You do not know what lead them to that situation, and you don't know the thought that they put into that decision. Until you personally have been there, you will never know.

    I think that abortion is wrong and it shouldn't exist.

    Personally, I can talk to you and talk to you, but if there is anything you pull from this post; hopefully it's this. Abortions are not a bad thing; they help women who could die in child-birth, women who have ectopic pregnancies etc. Yes, there are women who have made a mistake and they probably gdt one abortion in their life-time. Who are you to judge someone about the decisions they make? How would you feel if someone judged you when you thought you were making the right decision? One that would be better for you in the long-run; but you were (apparently) wrong because they solely believed against that.
  • Chameleon mania Advanced
    Because some mothers are physically not able to give birth to a child

    And now you’re saying that they should put their life a risk to give birth to something?
  • Chameleon mania Advanced
    The mother isn’t even in your life.

    You don’t know what she’s been through, or how she got pregnant. You have to respect that some people might abort because they don’t have a choice.

    The foster care system is utter crap right now, and you’re saying that this child might have hopes and dreams. Of course it would, if it only lived to have those hopes and dreams. There are so many people judging and harassing these women that decide to abort, and it truthfully isn’t right. Nothing can influence their opinions, and they aren’t happy that they’re aborting their child. It’s hard for them too!
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    DaughterOfApollo Hot Shot
    I’m pro-life. I’ve made a whole thread about this a while back if y’all want to go find it and read it. But basically, I’m pro-life because I believe life begins at conception. Of course I think that everyone should have the right to their own body, but it’s not just their body. You can’t have two hearts, two heads, four arms, four legs, and two different DNA sets.

    Every pro-lifer that I have met agrees that if the mother’s life is at risk and abortion is the only way, then it’s okay to abort (I think there are actually laws in place specifically for this), and some also believe that if the mother was raped, then it’s okay if she aborts too. I personally think that if you were raped then you need to immediately go to the hospital, get checked out, and take something to make sure you don’t get pregnant. This way, you’ll be more likely to catch your rapist and he’ll go to jail and you have a way lower chance of actually getting pregnant in the first place. However, I do realize that this is a very difficult thing to do and I empathize with the woman 100%, but I think it would be less traumatic for her to do that than to get an abortion months later and to also try and press charges against her rapist when there is no longer evidence. But those are just my thoughts, and I know not everyone is going to agree with them.

    Besides, the majority of abortions that happen are from adults who had consensual sex. If you are not financially stable, then there are government programs and options out there to help you. No one is telling them that they have to keep the child, but if they do, then again, there are government programs out there. It’s not going to be the best thing ever, but it will be doable. Why do you think so many white trash families have a bunch of kids running around? Because they get money from the government every time they have a kid. They’re on food stamps too, hell, my family was on food stamps when I was little and yeah, it sucked, but we survived. Finding our you’re pregnant when you’re not financially stable doesn’t mean you immediately have to abort. There are options out there, you’re just taking the “easy” way out. (Even though the majority of women who have abortions end up regretting it later in life and have depression and suicidal thoughts)

    You can absolutely 100% judge someone for the bad/wrong decisions that they have made in their life. It’s how we figure out what’s morally good and bad and so we don’t repeat those mistakes that someone else has made. You don’t have to know them personally to come to those decisions. You can look at someone who has murdered someone else and be like “that person did a bad thing, they should be punished” whether you know them or not. You can look at someone who broke into someone else’s house and be like “that’s a bad thing, that person should be punished”. You can look at someone shooting themselves up with heroin and say that that’s a wrong thing to do and they shouldn’t be doing that, whether you know that person or not. And you can look at someone who’s had an abortion and say that that was a wrong thing to do, even if you don’t personally know them. If we’re not allowed to have opinions on these mother’s aborting their babies because it’s “their body” or because “we don’t personally know them” or because “it doesn’t affect you, so you do you care?”, then we’re not allowed to have opinions on the person doing drugs, the thief, the murderer, or even the person who committed suicide because that should only concern the people involved and we should all just mind our own business and not give a care about what happens to our neighbors, our peers, our society, right?
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    The Hermit Newbie
    Are you personally willing to help a drug addict into rehabilitation? Are you personally willing to help the mother who decided to have her children but now has to live in a shelter because the expenses were to much? If the answer is yes, then go do what you can instead of arguing on a public forum about it. I personally have tried to help people in my life when the needed assistance. If I have the money to help out my fellow man, I will. I may be Pro-Choice, but it doesn't mean I am completely ignorant. I will help these people because I understand their struggle. My mom used to steal food for me and my sister when we were kids so we could eat; because the government would not supply us with financial support. I grew up poor, and still am. That doesn't mean I am going to be blind to another person's struggle.

    Life beginning at conception was an opinion based on religion. I respect your opinion. That doesn't mean I agree with it.

    The fact is, no one I know who is Pro-Life is willing to help the mother when she needs it. They want her to struggle alone, and then get mad at her for not supplying for her children when she doesn't have the money. The government does not always give financial assistance. I know this first hand. And, even if it does people judge the mother for "mooching off the government".

    All in all, if your Pro-Life; go do something to help and approach things in a nicer way. If you are Pro-Choice; go do the same thing. I understand we have different opinions; and we are currently debating that. But, it boils down to helping your fellow human being out (regardless of their decisions). If someone you know is a drug addict; go get them rehabilitation. If you know someone who is suicidal try to get them to go to therapy. If a woman wants to get an abortion: if you are Pro-Life; help her out. Don't let her try to solve it herself because life is hard as it. Be involved in her life, because if you truly cared about the "different DNA set" she is carrying you would help. If you are Pro-Choice; be with her through the process. It's rough and takes a lot out on a person. These are people too, and they had to make a decision that was rough on them. Just be there to support them.
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    RAND0M Novice
    what about the people that are raped and are forced to have that child? they didnt choose to have se x? but they should be forced to care for that child? i dont think so.
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    BurningFlame Novice
    It feels really bad to see people screaming at moms that have decided to abort their child.
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    PointlessDreams Advanced
    I'd get an abortion if I were pregnant, and I'm not sorry. I use protection but birth control isn't 100%.

    I'm not ready for a baby, mentally, physically, or financially. And tbh this world is a s--- hole.

    And I wouldn't feel bad about it, either. :)
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    Stardust1 Senior
    Pro Life.

    If you aren't ready to have a child, you shouldn't be having sex either.

    Considering most abortions happen from consensual sex and are really a result of humans being idiots, I don't think abortions should be as available as they are. Most of the time an abortion is just a way for foolish young people to escape consequences.

    Life does begin at conception. And no, I don't believe that's an opinion. You don't need a religious standpoint to believe that.

    Also, there's no such thing as a "safe" abortion. Abortion is not an easy, beautiful process for the mother or the child.

    I think Daughter of Apollo pretty much said everything that needs to be said. I do agree that in those rare cases of the mother's life being at risk or even some cases of rape than there should be exceptions. I would never suggest that route, but I agree to it being available.

    I think the world would be so much better if every dime that went to planned parenthood actually went to adoption agencies and other programs that could actually help mothers. It's sad that this isn't the case.

    But bottom line is that no bad circumstances could convince me that killing a baby is okay. Life is still precious, no matter the circumstances. A human life matters even if they won't have a good life.

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