God or no, there is only one power that remains universal.
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Thread Topic: God or no, there is only one power that remains universal.
Appayipyip42 AdvancedAh okay.
The Prophet JuniorI feel the need to clear a lot of things up. This thread has been busy. So I'll start with a comprehensive explanation of evolution and how we came to be.
We did not spawn from dust, into apes, then humans. Evolution has taken a very long time to develop. It starts with the formation of a star. Everything has gravity, including gasses which float freely in space. As they are drawn together, they heat up, pressure causes friction, which causes heat. These gasses eventually build up so much heat that they ignite, creating stars. Upon this ignition, every element we see today is thrown away from the star and are eventually recaptured in it's orbit; to look much like Saturn and it's rings. Whilst still in the suns orbit, these particles condense together as well forming larger and larger balls until planets are formed.
But planets were not how we see them today. With the elements falling in randomly, and no atmosphere to shield it, the planets were nothing more than massive balls of magma or gas. Eventually, the elements that were heaviest sunk to the bottom. Forming our iron core, then mantle, and eventually the crust. Water vapor caught all throughout our planets body, were heated up and forced out of the crust through vents, forming clouds in out atmosphere. This then came down as rain and filled our oceans gradually. Now that we have a somewhat safe surface, a relatively decent temperature, and a reliable habitat, we have the components to start life.
Life originated as RNA strands covered in a nuclei. Primitive single celled organisms. RNA itself is nothing more than a sequence of proteins in strands. Which if broken down even further, proteins are nothing more than different atoms put together into order, which if you have any basic understanding of chemistry, you'll know that atoms do attract each other in specific order using magnetism. So anyway, RNA strands are developed out of proteins. Thus creating single celled organisms. Now it starts the game of chance.
RNA; the primitive version of DNA is a coded blueprint. It gives instructions to the cell to tell it what to do. Such as Mitosis and Photosynthesis. But, since RNA is a sequence of very delicate parts, it is subject to be mismatched or misread. This is when mutations start to develop. These mutations are not always good. They can sometimes be bad, or even sometimes have no real effect at all on the cell. But naturally, the cells with the good mutations have a better survival rate than those with the bad ones, and even those who were unaffected. Therefor causing the strongest to survive. These single celled organisms, in a race for survival, developed into multi-celled organisms. Probably resembling something close to algae. As evolution continued and things became more complex to stay ahead of the game, we start to see more fungus and even somethings resembling starfish and jellyfish. Eventually primitive fish. Actual animal life was born.
Survival also has an influence on evolution though. If you want to survive, you're willing to do things that you haven't tried. Fish did this by adapting to the point of being able to lay eggs on land for protection. But plants were on land long before then. Since carbon dioxide is a major component in the process of photosynthesis, and it is still thick in the air after the earths cooling, plants were able to start growing on land to stay where the air is. By the time the first animals left the water to lay their eggs, plants had already grown into massive forests. Animals that came onto land, started to do so more and more and eventually became more adapt to it. Developing legs to help them move, and lungs for breathing air.
Dinosaurs came about during this time. With so many plants there for so long, earth had an 80% higher oxygen content than it does today. Animals were able to grow much larger, creating things like 25 ft long crocodiles, or 70 ft tall dinosaurs. Life was booming on the surface, as well as continuing to develop under the sea.
Back on the celestial level though, earth's orbit was not perfect. None of the planets were. It was elliptical which created seasons, as well as wobbly. Due to this imperfect orbit, the earth tends to sway back and forth between closer to the sun, and further away. When it moves away, we get things like the ice ages. Which we have had more than one of. These can also be the blame for the first and second massive extinctions of the dinosaurs. The Triassic, and Jurassic, periods. And it is speculated that the Cretaceous period would have ended the same way if it weren't for a more direct event. The meteor crash is still our best guess, and until more research points to something more believable, science will stand by that guess. But the fact that we are finding ancient beaches of solid glass and that the size of the crater that would be left by such a meteor is about the same size as the Gulf of Mexico only continues to further our confidence in the possibility of a meteor strike.
After the Dinosaurs were wiped out, small mammalian creatures that lived underground were able to become more dominant. The new, less threatening environment allowed them to grow larger as well. Plants were able to return to the surface from the oceans. (This is the first recorded history of grass actually.) Survival once again played a part in the mutation of life. Animals that needed to survive and get away from predators, were able to develop hands and tails to help them climb trees. Where as living in trees dictated we develop thumbs, moving through grasslands dictated we stand up straighter. Whether this was survival kicking in, or the random mutations that were good, we may never know.
Three different off-shoots of humans have been recorded. Homo Sapian (Us), Homo Neanderthalensis (Neanderthals), And Denisova Hominin (Recently discovered). DNA screenings have shown that non-African heritage has a 4% to 6% DNA match to Neanderthals. And that Denisova Hominin is most closely related to New Guinea heritage. This suggests that there was interbreeding, and potentially outbreeding between the three types of people.
Modern man came about using tools, as a survival mechanism. Our brains evolved to let us use these tools. Such things as spears for hunting, or building, for shelter. As our dependence on these tools increased, our needs for other evolutionary traits decreased. Our arms didn't have to be as bulky. Our skulls didn't have to be as thick. Our canine teeth didn't need to be as large. Humans shaped slowly into what we see today. Coincidentally however, our increasing intellect also spawned religion. Probably originally as just a way to explain things that our primitive minds couldn't understand. Lightning, floods, eclipses, the orbit of the earth, seasons, death, and things like that were explained through supernatural forces. But like all tools of humanity, this was used for personal gain. Religion became used for influence and power. Village shamans, Pharaohs, Kings, and people in power, used religion to solidify their dominance. Thus creating the religion we see today. There's a reason it's called, "The King James, bible." It's because King James was the most recent person to rewrite it.
I hope I cleared up some of the misconceptions about evolution... and physics... and history... and anything else I covered with this. I'll type more tomorrow. I haven't even started on religion yet; or how it influences racism; or the need for actually verifying and properly understanding scientific articles. Like I said, a lot needs to be covered in this thread. And I'll continue to help where I can.
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Bob = Mass respect.
*For being smartest person on Gtq.
And also being awesome.
^Thank you. I'm glad you cleared that up. I knew all that... but was too lazy to type it all ^_^. Anyways... I just hate how this has turned into a fight. Agne, Kattie1999, I understand that what you believe in has me going to hell. And I know your actions are out of love. I appreciate it. And Agne, I have attacked nothing that you've said, I hate attacking a religious belief and if you felt this way I apologize. As for Carri04, I understand your anger, but I think that in this kind of conversation you should hold more respect if you want more respect. However, I'd like to clear some things up about myself. I love my version of God, and I believe in Jesus and love him to. However, I do not believe in the bible. I also believe in Native American and Pagan beliefs. I even have nine totems that I love very much. In fact, I agree a lot with Baha'i. There are points in which I don't agree with, mostly to do with customs and gay rights, but that's it.
Haha, that thank you was meant for The Prophet, I seemed to have taken too long to type that XD
Whats with the blank post? :P
Katey, you seem like a really nice girl. Thankyou for helping those who are lost. I'm sure one day someone will appreciate it and you could probably change someones life for the better.
I have some exciting news myself. Whilst I was in science my teacher and I had a conversation on evolution verses creation. He actually stopped what he was doing and listened. He showed respect and was impressed by by faith. I saw a slight change in him as he processed what I was saying. Please pray for him. I would love if he could join us in heaven :D
If we, cristians, are wrong about God it will be very sad. However, if we are right we will spend eternity in heaven. If you have no faith in God you will spend eternity in hell.
@Madid: Why do you think God doesn't care about our world? You seem pretty certain of that.
Yes the earth is bad and people are horrible. There are murders, rapes and many other horrific things. But this is NOT God's fault. God gave us free will. If we were not granted this gift we would be acting like robots; bowing down and worshipping God ALL the time. Free will enables to let people do as they please. When they want. Therefore it is our responsibility for our acts of violence and selfishness.
I'll continue to pray for you all. I do love every single one of you. x
Carri04 Hot ShotAt this point it's impossible to be respectful, Country, and I could care less if these people respect me.
madid ExperiencedAnge:Don't you think he wouldve some something by now? Hell, look at the World Wars. Funny, you provided the exact same arguement when you explaining Gods gift of "free will" on another thread.
God will come back to the earth when the time is right. And yes, I have brought that argument forward before. It explains why man kind are doing these things.
Mandid: God does care about us. My prayers are answered constantly. Without God I would be completely lost and alone. I feel so safe in his hands because I know I can trust him and put all my faith in him.
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