Some other religions

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  • oneX Newbie
    Mine is Atheist.I don't believe in God.Or the Devil.

    You can say your religion too.
  • SeizedWeapon Newbie
    I'm really with you- i dont beleive. My argument for the haters out there? If 'god' is an all-knowing all-seeing lord, then why would he do something as stupid as creat humans? He would have seen that all we do is destroy worlds, ecosystems,and kill out animals.
  • AppleBerry Newbie
    God created us to give us life. He created us to love him. Wouldn't you be lonely being the most powerful, but you're all alone in the universe?

    The Creator Forever.
  • nessie14 Novice
    Appleberry, are you Catholic? i am. its nice to finally see someone who isnt an atheist
  • dia Newbie
    My religion is Islam.I only believe in the most omnipresent,omnipotent and omniscient Allah.

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  • Dez Newbie
    I am a Christian, moreover, a Christadelphian. we beleive that the holy bible is the inspired word of the one true living God, the God and father of our savior the Lord Jesus. We base what we believe fully on the scriptures. the biggest diffrence probably between us and catholics is we dont believe in the trinity (as there is no mention or evidence in the Bible)and we dont worship mary as this is quite clearly heracy and non-scriptural.
  • Dez Newbie
    to the catholics and trinity-believing Christians, i think no less of you. you've just been led astray abit. im sorry, i dont mean to sound arrogant. Read this:

    The Trinity

    The idea of the Trinity is not one that is found in the Bible. Far from being part of the same being, God and Christ are quite separate. Consider the following verse, 1 Timothy 2:5: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus". A mediator is a go-between. For Christ to mediate between God and men he must be separate from God, just as he is separate from the individual people he mediates for; if Christ was part of God then this verse would be nonsense.


    1 Corinthians 8:6 also speaks plainly of God and Christ as separate: "But to us there is but one God, the Father, ... and one Lord Jesus Christ". If God the Father and Christ were part of the one being, why would these words have been written? If they were part of the Trinity, why is there no reference to the Holy Spirit here? The only reasonable answer is that God, the Father is a totally separate being from Jesus Christ.


    There are two passages from the New Testament that are often used to prove the Trinity, John 1 and Luke 1:35. In reality, both of these show that the Trinity does not exist.


    John 1:18 plainly states that "No man hath seen God at any time". It does not say " No man hath seen God the Father" at any time, but that no man has seen GOD at any time. It is obvious from the Gospels that people saw Jesus: therefore Jesus cannot be God, or any part of God. The verse goes on to say "the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." Some other translations of this passage, which are based on other Greek manuscripts, have "the only begotten God" where the KJV has "only begotten Son". The Greek words for 'son' and 'god' in this context are very similar, and it seems likely that 'son' becoming 'god' was a simple slip of the pen when the early manuscripts were copied. The phrase 'only begotten God' is also at odds with the doctrine of the Trinity. Something that is begotten has a definite beginning and a cornerstone of the Trinity is that 'God the Son' has always existed.


    "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." (Luke 1:35) Let us suppose that this passage does speak of the Trinity. It would seem then that the Holy Spirit is the Father of Christ, which would give a trinity of "God the Father & Holy Spirit, God the Son, and God the Redundant"! The more logical interpretation of this passage is that the Holy Spirit is simply the power of God.


    Christ stands out in the Bible as being a sinless individual; this is a truly great achievement for a man. Sin is simply acting contrary to the will of God - therefore for Christ's sinlessness to be an achievement he must not be part of God.
    (with thanks to my brothers and sisters at [no urls])


    Is the worship of Mary biblical?!!!

    Bishop Alphonse de Ligouri is more responsible than any other for promoting the worship of Mary, therefore dethroning Christ and enthroning Mary in the hearts of the people. Rather than excommunicating him for his heresies, the Catholic Church canonized him as a saint and published his book, called "The Glories of Mary," which is famous, influential, and widely read. He noted that Mary was given rulership over one half of the kingdom of God and rules over the kingdom of mercy while Jesus rules over the kingdom of justice. He wrote that people should pray to Mary as a mediator and look to her as an object of trust for answered prayer. The book also states there is no salvation outside of Mary. Even though the Catholic Church mentions his views are extreme and not representative of the church, no one bothered to silence de Liguori as a heretic. Rather, he was canonized as a saint and declared to be a "doctor of the church." His teachings have influenced many popes.

    Allow me to present here the versions of the Catholic doctrines about Mary compared to what the Bible says. The sources for this section are the Bible and the "Catechism of the Catholic Church," which has numbered paragraphs. For brevity's sake, I will use "Catechism" plus the number of the paragraph(s).

    ALL-HOLY - Mary, "the All-Holy," lived a perfectly sinless life (Catechism 411, 493).

    Romans 3:23 says, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."

    Revelation 15:4 says, "Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? For thou only art holy."

    Romans 3:10 says, "There is none righteous, no, not one."

    NOTE: In contrast, Mary said that God is her Savior (Luke 1:47). If God was her Savior, then Mary was not sinless. Sinless people do not need a Savior.


    CO-MEDIATOR - Mary is the co-mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (Catechism 968-970, 2677).

    There is only one mediator, and that is Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5-6 says, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all men -- the testimony given in its proper time."

    Hebrews 7:25 says, "Therefore He (Jesus) is able to save completely those who come to God through Him, because He always lives to intercede for them."

    Ephesians 3:12 says, "In Him and through faith in Him we may approach God with freedom and confidence."

    NOTE: If Jesus is constantly interceding for us and He is able to save us "to the uttermost," then He doesn't need Mary's help. If we can approach God with "boldness" and "confidence" because of our faith in Jesus, then we don't need Mary's help either.

  • Dez Newbie
    I am a Christian, moreover, a Christadelphian. we beleive that the holy bible is the inspired word of the one true living God, the God and father of our savior the Lord Jesus. We base what we believe fully on the scriptures. the biggest diffrence probably between us and catholics is we dont believe in the trinity (as there is no mention or evidence in the Bible)and we dont worship mary as this is quite clearly heracy and non-scriptural.
  • roby Newbie
    Im a Jew and im loving it!!!
  • I Personally Have No Idea What I Believe.
  • Bambi Novice
    I'm Christian. :) I ♥ God but not in a um, relationship, way.
  • Maksime Newbie
    mine is atheist n' love it
  • beena737 Newbie
    IM CHRISTIAN, and god created us for a reason we were all put on this earth for a reason a plan.so if something bad happens to u its for a reason ,dont worry its all in Gods plan
  • Bambi Novice
    Well said beena737! That was what I was going to say but in a more... compact... way?
  • HIENZ Newbie
    Dez, I agree with your points on not worshipping Mary, but all of your points against the trinit can be easily proven wrong.
    "1 Timothy 2:5: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"."

    Christ is both man AND God. As man he is a mediator between God and men, as God he is, well, God.

    And you left out part of 1 Corinthians 8:6. "yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live."
    It is saying that all things are of BOTH of them, and that we live through BOTH of them. Those things can only be said about God, so they must both be God.

    John 1:18 "'No man hath seen God at any time'. It does not say 'No man hath seen God the Father at any time,' but that 'no man has seen GOD at any time. '" Again, Jesus is both man AND God. He is 100% both. When he came down to Earth, he took on the form of man, and so people saw him as man.
    "The verse goes on to say 'the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.' Some other translations of this passage, which are based on other Greek manuscripts, have 'the only begotten God' where the KJV has 'only begotten Son'. The Greek words for 'son' and 'god' in this context are very similar, and it seems likely that 'son' becoming 'god' was a simple slip of the pen when the early manuscripts were copied."

    The Bible, though physically written by men, was ultimately overseen and thought out by God, who would not have allowed there to be any mistake in the Bible. And if there cannot be a mistake in the Bible, we must assume that 'the son' and 'God' are both the same in this context.

    "The phrase 'only begotten God' is also at odds with the doctrine of the Trinity. Something that is begotten has a definite beginning and a cornerstone of the Trinity is that 'God the Son' has always existed."

    But as I said above, in that sentence the words 'God' and 'The Son' are the same, and Jesus was both man and God. Jesus has always existed before as God, but was concieved by the Holy Spirit in Mary's womb as God's son. So he is God's only Son, but he was the same as God before that.

    "'And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.'" (Luke 1:35) Let us suppose that this passage does speak of the Trinity. It would seem then that the Holy Spirit is the Father of Christ, which would give a trinity of 'God the Father & Holy Spirit, God the Son, and God the Redundant'! The more logical interpretation of this passage is that the Holy Spirit is simply the power of God."

    Again, they are all one and the same. God is the Father, but he is also the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is also The Father and The Son, and The Son is also The Father and The Holy Spirit. If they are all the same, then anything one of them does, technically the rest of them do. And regarding your last sentence, since when does logic apply to God?

    "Christ stands out in the Bible as being a sinless individual; this is a truly great achievement for a man. Sin is simply acting contrary to the will of God - therefore for Christ's sinlessness to be an achievement he must not be part of God."

    It's not an achievment for him, because he is also fully God, therefore he cannot sin. It would, however, be a great achievment to a normal every day man. (And it is impossible, I might add).

    And again I agree with all of your points on the worship of mary being wrong.

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