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Thread Topic: About Christianity
Corrections, I mean like, to me. I do something wrong, God lets me know so that I can get on track again, so that I can stay away from stuff that's harmful. That is loving. I use that parent example now.
There had to be death, God or all of us had to die. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life--Romans I think. I can never remember the numbers. But there is a price that must be paid, unless you think anyone can sin willy nilly and never go to hell. Like Hitler. But God, He never sinned. He didn't need to die. But He did anyway, for us. He does love us, no matter what, but He can't accept us into His kingdom the way we are. He is perfect, He can't be associated with sin, what we are. It says in the bible that when Jesus hung on the cross, to take our sin, He became sin. And God had to look away. But once we accept God, our sins are washed away and we are made holy, we are born again (not literally). When He makes us perfect, then we can enter His kingdom. Because how could heaven remain perfect if there is sin? Now, here on earth, we are still flesh, even if you accept God. I still sin. But that is forgiven.
You were once Christian. That's neat. So you're probably familiar with a lot of it. If you want to use science, check out creation science. Science is, well, my least favorite subject, and one I don't excell at. But creation science uses nonbiased science to explain how a biblical view of creation can be explained. It's cool, fascinating, and can answer a lot of your questions.
2kan, I understand you don't want to commit to anything. But God says you cannot be lukewarm, you're either hot or cold for Him. And there can be no other gods before Him. You have to choose.
Oh, and Jesus died so we could join God in heaven, not just escape hell. You can't just get rid of hell--where else could you send Satan and all the demons? And no, God is not getting rid of Satan just yet. He will one day, but now is not the time. If there was no evil,then there could be no choice to actually do something wrong. Our free will would be taken away. So there is a purpose for everything, even when bad things happen. You just got to trust God fully and He will see you through.
I'm going to bed. Got church tomorrow, lol.
What about those plague things, If forgot what exactly happened but I'm pretty sure he was trying to help people and stuff, but in the process a lot of people died, and many of them probably didn't deserve it. And what about him having the Jews kill sheep, not just sheep, BABY SHEEP, for no reason other than to smear their blood over their doors and maybe eat them, and do those lambs go to Heaven? Probably not, they never accepted God, and that only really matters if God bothered to give them souls, and God could have at least made them kill adult sheep, at least they had lives.
What about people before Jesus, people who believed in different gods, are they all burning in Hell?
Do other animals have souls? If not, why? Was God just like, Okay, you two get souls, and so do all of your decedents, and the rest of you, you don't get souls, so when you die that's it, no more existing, and most of you have shorter lives than those two over there who have souls. Thank me, if you did have souls you'd all go to Hell because you didn't accept me. Have fun with your short, soulless lives!
Wait, so Jesus became sin, and Jesus is God, so why can't he be around sin? Is he just to prideful of his perfectness, and by the way, pride is one of the Seven Deadly Sins, also known as the most common sins that are hard to avoid.
So God makes us good and Satan makes us bad, sounds like we're being controlled by two powerful forces. Yup, that's the definition of free will.
Lucifer used to be an angel, but he became evil because he was jealous of God, I think, anyway, no angels became evil before him, which I find unlikely because I'm pretty sure the angles existed for a long time, and they obviously have free will because Lucifer and other angles became evil, though I'm pretty sure that demons only became demons because Lucifer tempted them too.
And this is a small thing, but if Adam and Eve had children and those children had children and so on, isn't everyone related? And shouldn't all of humanity have the problems that comes with having children with your family? And if you say God made it so they could do it at first without problems and then decided to make be that way later on, why would he do that, just for the LOLs?
Also, what about people born with terrible birth defects that make the die not long after birth, what about people who were born with something that makes their life worse than it could be. And since God says homosexuality is a sin, why did he make people be homosexual? None of this makes sense, if God wan't us to be perfect and live as happily as possible, and he loves us, why does he make people have things that aren't their choice, like blindness or being born with out arms? And if he wants everyone to at least have a chance to be perfect, even if it's extremely unlikely, why would he make some people homosexual, which he thinks is a sin, that isn't giving them a chance to be perfect. And if babies who die right away or are born stillborn go straight to Heaven because they haven't sinned, what about a homosexual baby that dies, does it go straight to Hell? Or does it get sent to Heaven because it didn't know about God and it couldn't accept him and get forgiven for being homosexual, which is something that God made it be!
God's a homophobe, this I know, for the Bible tells me so!
I have tried to believe in God again, but I can't, doubt is always there making me not believe.
Long paragraph. Ok, I'll try my best to answer you.
I don't know what plague thing you're talking about, so if you could find the story for me...? Idk.
As for the sacrifice of animals. Before Jesus was born, there was the old covenant God established with those who belived in Him. Jesus is the new covenant, and erases the old covenant. But the old covenant, was the death of animals, who are innocent like Jesus was. There has to be death for sin, that's why animals were sacrificed regularly, to atone for their sins. Of course that's sad, and it eventually had to stop, so that's part of the reason why Jesus came, to establish the new covenant. With the old covenant, there were a lot of laws and these are mostly listed in the first few books of the bible. You had to have a sacrifice for each new sin you committed, and baby lambs were purer I guess.
Oh, gtg. I'll answer the rest later!
Lambs are all baby sheep, there's no reason to say baby lambs.
Oops, I think I meant to put baby sheep. Oh well, you get the picture.
So, the smearing of the blood over the doorpost was only for the passover. It showed that you were with God during that time, so that when the angel of the Lord passed over the town (or city, idk) you would be spared from death. It had to do with these plagues God was sending to Egypt, to convince the Pharoeh (gosh, I can't spell) to let the enslaved Jews go free. If you believed in God and were on His side, the blood would symbolize that and the angel would pass your door so that your firstborn child wouldn't die. But that's another whole story. I'm sure you've heard it like every Easter as a Christian, right?
So with the old covenant, if you followed that correctly, you would go to heaven that way. That's why I'll see Moses in heaven, and Noah. And others like them. There's something else about them being held in a special place until Jesus's return, but that's not relevant right now. Anyway, you can't get to heaven by the old covenant anymore, since Jesus is the new covenant. Besides, just accepting Him is way easier than slaughtering animals for your every sin. The new covenant is way better, since only Jesus has to die.
Do animals have souls. I don't think so, but I could be wrong on this. I remember having a discussion on this at my youth group, but even then I don't know. There's a part in the bible where it talks about the lion and the lamb in heaven, so maybe? But I don't think they really have souls (because they don't really have a sense of right and wrong like us, nor do they have a conscience), so without a soul, how could you get into heaven. Animals going to heaven is not a topic that I could really explain to you, though I hope they do! I want to see my dog there one day...
So why would we have souls, humans, and not animals? Because when God created us, He made us in His image. He has a Spirit, therefore we have a spirit. He has a soul, so therefore we do.
This is why we are different from animals, why we're so much smarter, why we think about things all the time, why we ask so many questions (ahem). I mean, would you really compare yourself to a monkey? They're in cages and we're building empires (I'm sorry. Monkeys creep me out.)
God couldn't look upon Jesus at that time, and not because He was being prideful. He loves His son. Yes, He sent Jesus to die, but not because He didn't love Jesus. It was because He loved us more (and someone knowledgeable correct me if I'm wrong here.) And Jesus is God. So I'm saying He loves us more than Himself. That isn't pride. Back to your question, God is perfect. He can't be associated with sin, like hard to explain, He can't let it contaminate Him. I wish I had better words for this. Like, God can be in the middle of sin, but He can't be of it. And because Jesus is God, when Jesus became sin, God had to, like, detach Himself from Jesus or He wouldn't be perfect. If He wasn't perfect, that would change who God is and then the whole system would fall apart. Because God never changes. He's told us that, and if He did change, He would've been lying. So God cannot be of sin. Jesus was a different story because the two are different, yet they're still the same. Oh boy. Trying to think about the Trinity right now will give me a headache. You know, I'll ask someone about this, double check, and get back to you.
As for Lucifer, you basically got the story right. He got jealous, wanted to be God, God threw him out along with other angels who rebeled. You say it's unlikely because of the timing. First off, God, supernatural being, lives outside of our 4 dimensions. What we consider a long time, may be a short time to Him. While we have perceptions of big and small, fast and slow, God isn't restricted by all that. He's always been there, before time was even created. He created a sense of time for us, but He lives outside of that. You know, "A million years is like a day."
Adam and Eve. God works in mysterious ways, in ways that don't add up. (Ever heard that story with feeding the five thousand?) So it's not that much of a stretch to believe that God designed Adam and Eve in and their descendents to be able to reproduce, and not worry about mixing genes too much. And yes, since we're all descended from them, we're all related in some way. Maybe that's why you hear don't murder your brother. And it must have rounded out so that we get the races we have today. God does everything for a purpose, remember, so I'm not questioning why it's like this now. You'd probably get a better idea of the origin of races talking to someone with an awesome sense of bible history. And science. My 2 least favorite.
Alright, born with a birth defect and dying right after birth. You'll go to heaven. All infants and babies that die go to heaven! What the heck is a homosexual baby? Like the baby can tell it's sex status. It's innocent, it can't control itself and know right from wrong. It doesn't really have a conscience. Don't worry. In that stage in life, it'll go to heaven. That changes as we get older and learn of course. Homosexuality is a sin like any other. We are all born sinners. But innocents like babies will go to heaven, since of course they can't choose for themselves.
God doesn't make people be homosexual. God doesn't create sin. That's from the devil. Our flesh will listen to him and be swayed and he will fill our heads with temptations and lies. That's what happens when you live in a dying world. Homosexuality is something we choose for ourselves, God doesn't make us born with it. People change their sexuality status all the time. If you claim that's it not your fault, and that's just what you're attracted to, then that would be the devil influencing you, drawing you away from God. It's the same with every sin, not just homosexuality. Even doubt is from Satan. Fear and worry as well.
So again, God is not the cause of sin. That's Satan
Monkeys are only in cages if we put them there, they would be in the wild, but we took them from their home and put them in cages. Humans are a--holes. And what about dolphins? They're super smart, they are basically the humans of the sea, and they aren't ruining the world.
Thanks for admitting that you're bisexual, I didn't really care what your sexuality is, but it's nice to know.
Why would God make theses birth defects and things?
Wait, I gotta ask. Does hell really exist?
I don't believe it does.
Of course it exists, at least I hope it does, if it doesn't how can I summon demons?
Still don't believe that it does.
I don't know if it exists or not, I just want to summon demons.
One other footnote, here on earth, you will never be as happy as ever all the time. God will give you joy, though. And peace. And when we accept Him, our sins our washed away and He sees us as perfect. We still sin yes, but we don't have to bawl out, "Lord, forgive me! I don't want to go to hell!" every time we sin after that.
So, your last issue was blindness, and people born without arms. Natural defects, you mean. Disorders, maybe illnesses that came to you randomly. God cares about you. Physically, yes. But mainly spiritually. I read a story in the bible recently. Here: So there was a lame man, paralyzed in a way that he couldn't walk. Jesus came up to him and said, "Your sins are forgiven." And the pharisees began to mutter among themselves saying, "Who does this man think he is?" (Basically what gave Jesus the authority to forgive a man's sins.) And Jesus heard them, and answered,"Which is easier to say, your sins are forgiven, or pick up your mat and walk?" And He might have said something else, I can't remember. The Jesus told the man to pick up his mat that he had been lyingbon and walk. The formerly paralyzed man did. If you notice, Jesus healed him spiritually before he did physically. Now, this doesn't mean healing can happen like this all the time. Maybe you get healed physically first, or not at all. But the story shows which is more important.
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