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Thread Topic: About Christianity
How would you know if he's controlling everything or not? He planned for everyone to think they have free will, remember, everything happens in God's plan, have you not heard that before?
Not everything's a metaphor.
I don't know where in the bible it says that, I heard about it in a different book.
As I said before, God's a psychopath, if he loves everyone why does he send the majority of the human race to Hell? I don't know about you, but being tortured for eternity because I didn't believe or accept something I had no reason to believe or accept is just the best way anyone can show they love me.
He doesn't send us to hell. We do that ourselves. The punishment for sin is death, hell. Jesus took that punishment for us already, so by accepting the fact that He did do that,, that he took the punishment, then we go to heaven. It's as simple as that. You just have to let Him be the sacrifice. That is love. Love is sacrifice, it's an action. Jesus dying on a cross cannot be denied, whether or not He was the son of God and was telling the truth is the debate. But why would He just die, the most painful way possible, if it wasn't for love?
Yes, not everything is a metaphor. But I still need you point that out if you want to use that for why God thinks women are wicked. Not just say some book.
So you only go to hell because of your sins. Because you messed up. But Jesus has already done that for you. He went to hell, defeated it, defeated death, then rose to life again 3 days later. We don't have to go to hell because Jesus has already done that for us.
I know that sometimes it's hard to understand how God is in control. You got to have faith. How can you even make people THINK they have free will when they clearly do? Your choices, your decisions are your own. You choose your destiny. When I say that God's in control, I'm saying He can handle all your problems, all the problems of this world. And He has already overcome them, though you dont see them now. Got to have faith.
God does have a plan for our lives, a wonderful plan. But because of free will, we step outside of that plan when we make mistakes. If we surrender, GOd can take control and give us His awesome plan.
Okay here's the thing, Adam and Eve knew God didn't want them to eat the fruit, okay, so they didn't eat the fruit. But when the serpent told them to eat the fruit, how were they supposed to know he was lying? They never had experienced something like that before. And they only learned the difference between right and wrong after they ate the fruit, yet God was like, you two didn't listen to me, you listened to a serpent that you had no way to tell was 'evil' and had an extremely tempting offer and I gave you the ability to be tempted by things like that, but now you get to die, oh, and Eve, Adam is in charge of you. Bye, I'm not over reacting at all. You ate a fruit which I made for no good reason.
I'm tired of talking to you, because I can't seem to get it through to you that the God in the Bible is a psychopath, and if God's not a psychopath then the Bible is lying. And this all assuming God is real, anyway, bye.
By the way, awesome used to mean terrifying.
WolfLove Hot Shoti don't mind that you don't agree with reincarnation, most Christians dont
but what do you mean the numbers dont add up? people are still birthed and new souls are created. reincarnation doesnt mean that numbers of people stay the same. when a person has a baby, and let's say they had no past lives, that's when that soul's journey begins.
and there's plenty of people that die and plenty of people that are born everyday.
Ok thanks wolflove. I wasn't sure what you believed. I still have a few things to ask you though.
Adam and Eve. Cool you know the story. You don't have to talk to me 2kan, no one is forcing you :)
The tree they were not supposed to eat from was there as proof of their free will. Because if everything was perfect and they HAD to be good, with no say in the matter, that wouldn't be loving. It's like if your parents never gave you trust and made it where you could never do anything wrong, could never make your own choices. And all they had to do was trust God, but they didn't, ate from the tree, and look what happened.
Satan was evil and a liar, sure. Just because they didn't know that doesn't mean it was God's fault. He told them not to eat from the tree, and that was the only rule. By eating from the tree, that was disobeying God. Same example with your parents. They tell you not to do something, you get deceived, do something wrong, and however innocent you were at the time, you still went against your parents. You still messed up.
Please, God's not a psychopath. Nothing makes more sense to me and countless others than this. Garden forum, so please just be respectful, even if you don't agree. Agree to disagree, as the saying goes. My faith is not shaken.
Ok wolflove, your turn! Questions, friendly discussion here that's all. So, you still have not given me a clear answer to your definition of right and wrong. so what I'm getting at is since you can't define it in black and white, how could you know what is good and what is bad? Who decides that, your god? And if so, then how would your god tell you? After all, in order to be a good person (from your view) you would have to know right and wrong before you die, right?
Also, my beliefs answer the tough questions. Like, what is our purpose in life? What is the meaning of life? How did life begin? How does it end? Can it explain how the world works? What makes us living, thinking creatures with souls? What is love? And how do you find hope?
Sorry for bombing you with all of those lol.
You keep saying forcing us to be good wouldn't be loving, forcing us to do things wouldn't be loving, but I keep saying he isn't being loving, you obviously don't see that I'm saying that. You can believe whatever you want, but that doesn't mean you're right. It's possible that no one is right and the real god or gods is something no one ever knew about.
I suppose you'll figure out when you die. I'm just sharing with you what I believe, not trying to convert you or anything, btw. Don't kill me!
Seriously though. I'm saying He is loving, you obviously don't see that, and I'm giving you examples, so that you can see that He is. Would you like to be forced to love Him back? Wouldn't you rather have a choice? I see, you don't think He's loving, I do. Agree to disagree. But I see no proof of Him not being loving.
And what if I am right? What if you died right now and saw that I was? It'd be too late by then. You're gonna have to choose soon, and this is what makes most sense to me. I could give you some xamples as proof, but most people would chalk it up as coincidence. Hmm, I sure am seeing a lot of coincidences then. Unless they're not, which I believe. But I'll only go there if you want.
So if I died right now and you were right, then I would be tortured for the rest of eternity, pain worse than anything I have ever done in my life being inflicted on me by someone who loves me for the rest of my existence. Honestly, if that happened I would be convinced that he loves me, I would be like, God does love, after all, this wouldn't be happening to me if he didn't love me, God is the best and I love him.
Anyway, I believe that it doesn't matter what happens when you die until you die, and if there is no afterlife or reincarnation then you better make sure you go down in history. As Benjamin Franklin once said, "If you would not be forgotten as soon as you are dead and rotten, either write things worth reading or do things worth the writing."
I'm not sure what this has to do with the conversation, but it's true.
*I would be like, God does love me,
Cool quote. Ben Franklin was a genius. You know, I might actually use that saying...
Look, that's the punishment. Your time would be up. You had years on earth to accept Him, and when you reject Him, that's the punishment. And when I say God is loving, it's because He's already taken that punishment for you. He has literally gone to hell, and endured the worst of it. When He hung on the cross, He became sin, and God had to look away. Every hardship imaginable, Jesus has suffered them all. And for you, though you don't even love Him back. Without GOd giving us this chance, we would just go to hell. All of us. It's His love that gives us a chance to escape death.
The time is now. Accept Him now and you go to heaven. Free, easy as that. Reject, you reject God, then why would you go into His kingdom? the only other place is hell, and God doesn't want that. It's something we choose ourselves.
Sorry, I know you don't agree with any of this.
It's late, I'm going to bed so seeya. I like talking to you, discussion is fun. (Yeah, I'm demented,haha)
I don't reject him, I just can't accept him. I have no reason to believe him and no reason to not believe him. Also, if I was God, I would accept whoever was good in my opinion into Heaven and send whoever I thought was evil into Hell. That's something I like about the Egyptian afterlife, the good people got to live in the afterlife and the bad people had their souls destroyed, or rather, their hearts eaten.
maham fatima NoviceWe are responsible for our sins if we commit them then we will be punished no matter how much we believe on god but we should believe in him and we should also avoid sins sins are very easy and good deeds are a little bit difficult but if you want to go to heaven then you should avoid sins! And if you are against me then i want a proof from bible or quran
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