what the f u c k
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Thread Topic: what the f u c k
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ok.
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"They are saying that white people living now have a moral responsibility to do something about how racism still impacts all of our lives today."
Ok.
I have problems with this line.
1. Not all white people are of Caucasian descent.
2. It teaches kids that being born with less melanin in their body than other people automatically means you have a moral responsibility to do something about racism.
3. Even worse, it encourages white-knighting and getting offended on the behalf of other people- an EXTREMELY toxic mindset to have. -
This makes the claim that CRT is teaching white kids to feel bad about being white completely reasonable.
White people- not even just white people, but ALL people shouldn't have a "moral responsibilty" to do something. If they want to try to end racism, that's THEIR CHOICE. No one gets to force people into having a responsibility because of the way they were born. -
That's your privilege talking, but I don't expect you to really care about that. Empathy can be hard.
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Black children don't have the option of not facing racism. Because of the way they are born, they face injustice, prejudice and inequality on a level that white people can't comprehend. Their lived experience is not optional, therefore, educating our children (ALL children, not just white children) about how society came to be the way it is today is incredibly important.
There is no chance that any one person can magically eradicate racism. But making sure children are educated on our country's history and the systematic issues that exist, assures that they are aware of it. No one is forcing them to march or protest or even care. But they should be able to identify racism when they see it and understand where it comes from. I don't give a f--- if learning about racism makes a white child uncomfortable because black children don't have a choice in learning about it. -
"That's your privilege talking"
What the f---? So! Fun fact about that!
I am not privileged.
I am not an upper class citizen.
Shut the f--- up. -
Also, your responses make it really obvious you didn't read my posts
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Bruh if you can't have an honest conversation without telling someone to shut the f--- up, there's no place for you in political debate.
And here's another fun fact!
Regardless of your class, if you are white, you have privilege! If you don't know what that means- and it's obvious you don't- look it up or respectfully ask for clarification. Don't be a baby. -
I read your posts. You provided 0 valuable insight.
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Alright, let me just start off by saying that I am probably known to be pretty conservative on here. However, I am also an English as a second language teacher in a foreign country and I feel like sharing what had happened to one of my students might bring some insight on this whole CRT.
So, I had this student who had lived in America for a year and then came back to his home country. He was a pretty quiet kid (constantly falling asleep in the back of the class and I’d usually just let him sleep for 10-15 minutes because that kid would wake up at 5am everyday to go swimming and was just completely tired from studying all the time because of exams and his English was pretty good so I’d just let him rest for a bit), but he’d answer the questions I had if I called on him, and he was overall a good student. Now, closer to the end of the term, I put them all in groups to do a project and halfway through the project, he goes “teacher, is racism illegal in America?” and I could tell he had been thinking about that for a while cause he was just staring off for about ten minutes. And so I told him that it’s not illegal unless they actually put their hands on you. And he thinks about this for a few seconds and then goes “I’m moving back to America and last time I was there I experienced racism against me,” and let me tell you, that sentence alone almost broke my heart. Now, the term prior, his English teacher was black and he had told them the same thing about how he experienced racism in America and they immediately shot him down by saying “you don’t know what you’re talking about cause you’re not black.” (I know this because I had talked to this teacher when the new term started and we were talking about which kids are in our classes and then they had told me about how this student was in theirs and how he tried telling them about how he experienced racism in America).
Maybe if CRT was taught when this student was in America the first time, he wouldn’t have had experienced any racism because maybe the other students didn’t realize what they were doing? It could also bring insight to the minority groups in America that they’re not the only ones who will experience racism (like as in not only black people will experience racism, but Latinos, Asians, Natives, Middle Easterns, etc. will also experience it) and it could also bring insight into how minorities can be racist towards other minority groups. So maybe, just maybe, the world can be a little bit better for those kids to live in because other students will realize that what they’re doing or saying actually causes harm to someone. And even if only one student realizes that they shouldn’t be doing and saying racist things toward someone else, then I think it’s worth it.
Now, I’m not saying have a whole separate class for the entire year about this. I think maybe having a week or two discussion about this is good enough to cover the basics, and then in college have a more in depth class that students can choose if they want to learn about it more or not. -
Bruh if you can't have an honest conversation without telling someone to shut the f--- up, there's no place for you in political debate.
Oh I only do it when people use the argument as an excuse to attack me, like you did, with,
"that's your privilege talking."
I wanted to have this conversation without anything like this happening, but I guess I can't have everything.
ALSO! FUN FACT ABOUT ME!
Regardless of your class, if you are white, you have privilege! If you don't know what that means- and it's obvious you don't- look it up or respectfully ask for clarification. Don't be a baby.
Jokes on you for assuming things about me- I have never been treated better than other people for my skin color. This may surprise you, considering you used "white privilege" as an excuse to attack me.
If I have been treated differently for my skin tone, it was likely before I even knew how to f---ing speak.
Road, you're a cool person, I genuinely think you're a cool person. But when you go around and use Strawman arguments/Ad Hominems in place of actual arguments, you just look like an angry keyboard warrior. If you don't have anything to contribute to the debate, then just don't.
ANYWAYS!
@Chainsaw
"Systematic issues that exist"
Isn't that what Political science is for? -
I have never been treated better than other people for my skin color
But have you ever been treated worse because of your skin color? No, not in any meaningful way at least. Therefore, inherently, you have been treated better than other people because of your skin color, because you aren't being treated worse -
Anyway, that's besides the point.
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Rav, I genuinely wish I could return that sentiment, but this thread has proven to me that you're not in a place in your life where you're willing to learn, and a willingness to grow and improve is pretty much... all I ask for in a friend. If you feel attacked, I'm okay with that. Don't approach me anymore, at least until you're significantly less ignorant. I'll be staying away from you as well, unless I need to intervene as a mod.
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..I mean, political science might touch on it, but I doubt they'd have time to delve deeply into the history or nuances of the subject. I'm a bit annoyed that that is your only take-away from what I said, it feels as if you're looking for any small piece you can disagree with in order to disregard the whole subject.
So let me say it again.
White people's comfort is not anywhere near as important and the safety and well-being of poc. Now that you know what crt is, I don't know why you're still arguing against it. POC can't opt out of racism. Why should white people be able to opt out of learning about it?
Stop disregarding the explanations being handed to you. People have been very patient with you, even though you are expressing willful ignorance. This will be my last reply in this thread. I hope you're able to open your eyes and step out of your comfort zone as your beliefs are dangerous and could cause harm to people. Good luck.
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