Why are Atheists, well, Atheists?
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Killa Da Ghetto NewbieI honestly have no idea why people aren't Why would you choose to be burnt, forever and ever, in TRUE torment? Why wouldn't you like to be in real paradise, where love is every where, NO pain and NOTHING is wrong! All you have to do is be a good person in life. It'd be great to be rewarded with PURE love, joy, and happiness! It makes no sense to me!
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Because we're already burning in hell. On a place called Earth.
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zero i agree but i am a christian
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This entire argument is actually called Pascal's Wager.
Pascal was a 17th century Christian Philosopher. He stated that since God's existence cannot be mathematically proven or denied that you'd be better of to believe than to not believe.
The wager goes as follows; if a believe is right, then they get eternal bliss while if a nonbeliever is right, they get nothing. But if a believer is wrong, they lose nothing, but if a nonbeliever is wrong, then they get eternal damnation.
The wager basically says that both sides have a 50% chance of nothing, but one side has a chance of a bonus while the other side only has a chance of suffering. So basically you're better of to believe and avoid damnation. Play it safe.
But actually, there are so many problems and fallacies with this theory, that it's pathetic.
The first problem with Pascal's Wager was that Pascal was only talking about the Judaio-Christian God. The wager completely ignores every other religion. SO instead of having two sides (God exists/God doesn't exist), there should actually be many of sides for every God out there. You can't disprove any of them so you'd have to add them all to the calculation. To be mathematical and incorporate every one in there. So you're looking at roughly one hundred and five million gods. And the more gods you have, the more chance you have of picking the wrong one. So the most logical answer would be in fact to choose none, and instead dedicate that (probably) wasted time doing things more relevant to humanity.
Further more, as an extension of my first point. Just because you avoided the hell of one God, doesn't mean you've avoided the hell of another. In fact, the very act of avoiding one hell would condemn you to countless hundreds of others. And as I've said, you can't exclude any because they all hold equal chance of being right.
My second issue with this wager is that it assumes that believing doesn't cost you anything. It costs you time, money, and energy. Things that (from an atheist perspective) are very finite. We have one life. And dedicating it to something that has a very very large chance of being wrong seems more wasteful that dedicating it to reality. Religion affects every part of your life. Anywhere from what you can wear to what you can eat. How you vote, to even your opinions on subjects. God costs more than he' worth.
My third issue is that this assumes that an all knowing God can be tricked by any random Joe who decided he'd rather play it safe without any real devotion to the belief. That an omnipotent being judges who will have eternal Joy, and who will suffer for eternity simply on the basis of who believed in it. That the deeds of the person have nothing to do with it.
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What Bob said.
Since there's more than one religion which requires belief in the relevant deity in order to gain salvation, you would have to believe in both. But both religions (let's talk about two it's a lot simpler) also require that you believe in no other gods to gain salvation (a "jealous god").
So basically, if that were true, you're going to hell either way. Unless you somehow, assuming only one existed, picked the right one by chance. And then they'd still throw you in hell for something.
In my point of view, it is therefore pointless trying to avoid hell. -
Actually, you must believe in a religion to dedicate your time, energy and money to certain religion related activities.
I believe that a god exists, but I'm neither spending time worshiping him, changing my life style and actions to get to eden, nor are any of my opinions/actions influenced by bunch of "godly" rules.
See? God and religion are totally different stories. -
That's true in a sense. I Believe on God. But I don't have to change my lifestyle in order to follow Him. I can be me and do stuff I did before while still being a Chistian. I'm not going to go to a street corner and scream in your face about Heaven and Hell. God loves you.
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Killa, doing good deeds doesn't get you a free ticket to heaven. You have to accept Jesus as your saviour.
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^Yup
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Well it's good to see that a supposedly all knowing deity has such a narrow minded viewpoint.
If a charitable atheist gives money, time, and compassion in to every thing they do and tries to make the world a better place, they will be tortured for all eternity.
If a Christian who has murdered innocent families, committed countless crimes, and should be put to death accepts Jesus Christ as their lord and savior, they will spend eternity in existential bliss.
Good to see how solid God's values are. -
GOOD SAMARITAN APATHEIST GOING TO HELL HERE~
Not like I care really, I do good things because it's awesome to help others, not for the sake of getting into an imaginary nirvana. -
Just here to say that I completely agree with Bob and Carri.
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On the good deed thing.
Believing in God and having your sins forgiven gets you into heaven.
Your good deeds on earth determine what you get in heaven.
And you are thinking of God like "Don't believe in me I'msending you to hell"
It is really "We all deserve to go to hell :D believe in God and you go to heaven.
No matter what, you have the right to control your actions on earth. If you want to be an aethesit go for it. -
^None of us deserve to go to hell.
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That's your oppinion.
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