About Christianity

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Thread Topic: About Christianity

2kan
Joined: Aug 13, '14
Status: Advanced
I used to go to a Christian private school, so I know s---. One thing I know is that a long time ago God proved his existence all over the f---ing place, he made f---ing fire float over some people's heads, like come on, why doesn't he do that anymore?

Creating a universe does not mean you have sense, it just means you're powerful, bored and need something to do.

How many deaths has God cause on purpose? A lot, and isn't killing people a sin? Or is is only a sin if you are a human killing another human?

I don't know if I mentioned this already, but just so you know, all vertebrates are to some extent sentient, meaning if only humans have souls God made living creatures with their own minds and just let them not be able to live forever, while magic a--hole humans are special because we're smart and are like the only creature actively ruining the world that God made for us.

You know how I said that other than the religious s--- I could probably get along with you pretty well? Well, I was wrong, I can't get along with a f---ing homophobe.

Homophobe doesn't mean you're scared of gays, it just means you hate them, the word is stupid. Also, fun fact, men have a have g spot or something in their butts, and women don't. And if god created the human body, why would that be? He doesn't like gay s--- happening.
IHLAOY
Joined: Oct 17, '13
Status: Advanced
Yea, sure, I have time.

If you'll remember your studies, you'll know that Jesus explicitly said that God would stop giving signs to people, in Matthew 12, and that the evidence he's already provided for his existence should be enough for the world. Sure, he could write his evidence in the sky in flaming letters for everyone to see, but even in historical times he rarely did things that grand, and he would forcing people to accept him out of fact, not love; which is the opposite of what he desires. Man must find God of his own free will.

So? What's the point you're trying to make here?

There's a difference between sentient and sapient. Everything is sentient, everything needs senses to perceive the world. Humans are the only creatures that are sapient, and have the knowledge needed to understand the world, and understand God. There's a reason that a human life is considered more valuable than a dog's life, and it's because of that sapience. Because of that understanding that we were given souls. A fish has no need for a soul, because it can't understand God, or understand worship, or have anything other than instinctual urges. It would be pointless. Also, God made the world for us to ruin or save at our choice. That is the burden of free will, and choice. Or would you prefer that God came down and forced everyone to recycle? ALSO, we are HARDLY the first creature to f--- up the planet. The Great Barrier Reef is dying because some starfish migrated wrong and bred to apocalypse levels. Any animal, given the chance, will quickly overwhelm the resources given and cause problems. We're the only race of animals to realize that and attempt to prevent it. And don't give me that whole 'oh, woe is me, the human race is so awful, we have wars and pollution and corruption' s---. We're still more moral than any other creature on Earth, by a large margin.

Moving on;
-Implying being gay isn't wrong.
-Implying gays have souls
-Implying you can't fear AND hate something
-Implying a prostate is a g-spot
-Implying f--- you
2kan
Joined: Aug 13, '14
Status: Advanced
I was only there for second and third grade, and I have a terrible memory.

Yup, I knew it, the only reason we exist is because God wants to be worshiped and praised, and if you can't do that, then f--- you, if you wont do that, then f--- you too.

I didn't remember what it was, I just heard about it on a video and didn't remember what is was, but the person in the video was making the same point I made with that, or rather, I was making the same point the person was. I'm a moron who believes many things I hear on the internet.

Are you saying that gays don't have souls? You a--hole, where does it say that gays don't have souls? The Bible says that God doesn't like gays, but as far as I know it doesn't say that they don't have souls.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Morals? What are morals? I don't have morals, because I'm an a--hole who is gonna go to Hell, even if it was just for people who are terrible people like murders and rapists and the like, as long as just being a terrible person and not actually doing anything counts. But I'm going to Hell anyway so it doesn't matter what the rules of this imaginary Hell are, and I'm only going to Hell if there is a Hell to go to in the first place.

I think most humans are s---, and that includes myself, but I don't care, I'll insult anyone even if I'm also insulting myself.

Anyway, as someone once said, Don't argue with idiots, they'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Adios person I would probably try to beat the crap out of in real life because I have no self control!
Stardust1
Joined: May 15, '17
Status: Novice
Hey, you probably hate me right now 2kan, but I care about you. Love your neighbor as yourself. You're still a person, someone that God loves. And I don't want to find out that you went to hell. I don't want that for anyone.

One thing. God doesn't cause death. He is not the cause of pain. That is Satan. And while God doesn't cause that, He allows it to happen. That free will, that choice to do something right on our own is always there. And if you did go to a Christian private school, then maybe you can remember the story of Job? Every answer you need is in the Bible, so don't just accept what I'm saying. Look for yourself.

Could you please just not swear on here? I know it's edited, but still.

Um, gays have souls. It's not something we earn, it's what we're born with. Made in God's image. He has a Spirit, then so do we. He has a soul, we do too. Besides, how could you accept Jesus into your heart and let Him save your soul if you don't even have a soul?
IHLAOY
Joined: Oct 17, '13
Status: Advanced
I'm sorry, Stardust, I'll try to refrain from swearing from now on.

I'm an eight foot tall Korean chick, you better watch yourself 2kan. I'd put you nine miles under the ground in a submarine if you're not careful. Like the famous Korean Hero Jackie Chan vs the inferior Japanese monster, Godzilla.

God has people to praise him, what do you think angels are for? God made man out of love, not out of a need to be worshiped.

-Implying that your lack of morals is symbolic of all of humanity
You seem really torn up on the idea of Hell, and I think it's detracting from your point a little. So let's just forget all about it for a moment. Humanity, on the whole, is good. We would never have come this far as a civilization if we weren't. The average person doesn't want to fight their neighbors, they don't want to hurt people. At worst, they just want to be left alone. And at best, you have legions of people who want nothing more than to change the world for the better. You have people like Norman Borlaug, who fed entire continents, or Edward Jenner, who's research saved billions. You have thousands of charities, thousands of support groups for everything under the sun, thousands of churches. You have a race that wants to see people become successful, even if we disagree about how. I just don't see how you can call humanity trash when there's so much good on the world.

In all seriousness, I do hope you find some more faith in yourself. You sound like someone who needs someone to believe in them, and I can only hope you become happier. It's a large, wonderful world, and I'd hate for you to waste it brooding.
It still won't give gays souls though.
2kan
Joined: Aug 13, '14
Status: Advanced
I highly doubt you are eight feet tall and could put me nine miles underground in a submarine, or are you joking, I can't tell.

Well, most humans I actually know, like know them know them, are complete a--holes, idiots, or both. I'm both.

I don't brood, and I'm a perfectly happy person, I'm just f---ed up and I know it, and accept it. Sorry for the swearing.

So Heaven sounds kind of boring, no animals other than humans, yay, don't get too attached to your pets, because when you die and you're like, now I can see my dog again! Too bad, your dead best friend is gone forever, happy now?

So according to you, do I only have half a soul?

I don't agree with Stardust that much, but at least we can agree that gays have souls.

Then what was the whole fish not understanding God or worship thing about? What was the point of mentioning that?
2kan
Joined: Aug 13, '14
Status: Advanced
Anyway, this conversation is going nowhere, so I'm done. Bye.
IHLAOY
Joined: Oct 17, '13
Status: Advanced
I'm serious, have you seen that movie Red October? It'll be like that, only on land. I've got three six packs, and only one is on my chest. They call it the cheesegrater, because you could grind an axe on it.

So according to you, do I only have half a soul?

That depends, are you bi, in which case no, or are you some kind of animal kin, in which case also no, because you are mentally ill.

The point of the fish was to point out that a fish doesn't need a soul because it doesn't have any higher reasoning and wouldn't benefit from Heaven. It would be like giving a car to a giraffe. He can't use it, it doesn't benefit him, he doesn't understand what it is and in the end, he doesn't even know why he needs it. It's a waste. Same with giving a soul to any animal. I think your confusion comes from your assumption that Heaven is a generic place where 'you get everything you want forever and you're always happy,' and not from the reality that, in all likely hood, Heaven is probably closer to a gigantic church with God at the front, who's very presence fulfills your soul and provides for you. I can't say I blame you for the confusion, since Heaven is the least explored concept in the Bible, but we need to be a bit realistic.

I don't want to give the wrong idea, or be so presumptuous as to assume what Heaven will really be like, so don't take this part too seriously, but you know that feeling when you're lying in bed next to your husband after a long day, and you're full of love, and everything is perfect, and you just want it to last forever? I imagine it would be like that.

Gays still don't get to go there though, lol.
Stardust1
Joined: May 15, '17
Status: Novice
Thanks for minimizing the swearing guys! I appreciate it. Just, whenever there's a discussion on religion, it can get to be a heated debate, so just trying to keep a calm head here.

I agree with a lot of what you say, IHLAOY, but not everthing sorry. Mostly the souls. Everyone's got one. It's part of what separates us from animals.

Yeah, 2kan, you're not happy. You're looking for satisfaction, for answers, and for the need to be right. And sooner or later, you'll have to decide.

Heaven. Yeah, there's not much on it. It's the kingdom of God. No more pain, no more suffering, no more hurt, no more tears. No sin. No fear. Streets paved with gold and food that tastes 10 times better, and eaten for pleasure, because there's no hunger in heaven. We get new bodies, too, so no more aches and sores. How can God not love us if He makes it so easy for us to have all that for eternity?

Angels are messengers of God.

People I know, who walk with the Lord, are awesome. They live with purpose and love, and it's part of the reason why I believe what I do. I can see the hope and joy these people have from knowing Jesus.

Eight foot tall Korean chick? Are you serious?
maham fatima
Joined: May 20, '17
Status: Novice
so what is the result
maham fatima
Joined: May 20, '17
Status: Novice
if christians commit millions sins then would they get punishment?or not
Stardust1
Joined: May 15, '17
Status: Novice
If you've accepted God, then you're forgiven. That's it. You get to be with God in heaven. You'll still mesd up (believe me, I do), but it's not like you have to beg Jesus for forgiveness again. That's been paid for. There are some people who stray from God, so there is a thing like recommitting your life to Him. But God knows where your heart is, and so do you. And I know that while I still sin, God's still going to accept me into heaven.
Tsanchan2
Joined: Jul 28, '17
Status: Newbie
God seems to like Satan an awful lot. Satan gets to own all the kingdoms of the world and accuse humans of not being good enough for God. He gets to cause pain and suffering and all with God's permission. The planet Venus is associated with Satan (third brightest object in the sky). The worst he has to deal with is when Jesus passed the test in the desert, Satan had to obey Jesus.
Stardust1
Joined: May 15, '17
Status: Novice
Satan always has to obey Jesus. He can't stand against God and win. I know God loves everyone no matter how bad they are, but I'm not sure how this applies to Satan. But God definetly doesn't like what he does. Um, try to think of it like this way. God gives all humans power--we have the power to create weapons, nuke countries, etc. And God could keep us from doing that, but then we'd have no free will. So He gives us the power, but we decide what to do with it. And God wants us to choose the right thing by ourselves. I guess you could turn this around on Satan. Satan has abused his power. Satan has become the prince of this world by misusing his power, and it could be the same for us. Hitler could've conquered it all, and he would be in power, but that doesn't mean God likes Hitler.

And even though it seems like Satan gets so much attention, God can make us greater than that. Jesus says we'll be able to do everything He has done and more. And when you know God, Satan has no power.

The morning star name is associated with Lucifer, not the name Satan. And Lucifer used to be an angel. You know, I wonder what the other angel names are associated with.
Tsanchan2
Joined: Jul 28, '17
Status: Newbie
You are right Lucifer is not Satan, even Calvin said so. Most people make this association because of OT poetry, I think it's Isaiah, which is an allegorical poem about either the ruler of Tyre, Nebuchadnezzar, or possibly an Angel (Malak) who may be Shemyaza, Azazel, or Satan. The old term for Venus in the morning is Helayel. Might refer to female deities like Ishtar etc. romantic poets like Milton decided it was the Devil. Early Christian Romans were often named Lucifer, since it's just a Latin name. There was a Bishop Lucifer.
As to Satan, in Job he holds a high position in YHE's court and God follows Satan's requests. In the Gospel, Satan does his job and tests Jesus. Is Satan just God's prosecuting attorney.? Some Jews believe that.

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